Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh

ItsASecretDummy wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:41:22 -0400, "daestrom"
> <daestrom@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>
>> "clydebeer" <u44204@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:859f2531b1d8d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> This is an industrial meter, measuring demand (KVA) and KWH.
>>> Medium sized industrial plant.
>>>
>>> Thks/Clyde
>>>
>>
>> If the meter claims to read kWh, then you can take it to the bank
>> that it does in fact read kWh.  Most revenue meters are able to
>> measure the real power being used directly without external pf
>> correction.
>
>  The meters do not get corrected, idiot.  The LOADS do!
>
>>  Tariffs for
>> industry often require additional metering if there is unusual load
>> connected.
>
>  No ****, dumb****.  That is what I said.
>

No, you said:

<quote>
  TOP POSTING IDIOT!

  Learn about Usenet BEFORE you invade it!

  OK, chump...  here goes...

  ALL business and industrial service MUST pay for ALL non-PF corrected
loads.

  The meter is not corrected, you equipment must be.  That means that any
and all inductive loads that you use WILL cost you a bit more.

</quote>


You claim that meters are not able to sense the pf so the customer is 
required to correct loads.  Nothing could be further from the truth.


>>  Very low pf can be an issue because of the impact on system
>> voltage.  The possibility of high, short-term demand often incurs an
>> additional tariff where you have to pay based on the highest 'peak'
>> during a billing cycle.  It sounds like this is what you have.
>
>
>  Why don't you just make **** up as you go, DaeTurd?

It would seem you can't write a cogent thought without resorting to 
profanity.  Why don't you go read a couple of tariffs and learn something 
besides new four-letter words.

Here is a nice explaination of demand charges.  Notice that it discusses
the 
peak power levels (demand) and the energy charges.  It doesn't discuss 
pf-correction or charges for pf.
https://www.nationalgridus.com/niagaramohawk/non_html/eff_elec-demand.pdf

Here is the tariff that National Grid of NY works under.  Have a nice
read. 
Be sure to search for 'power factor' and find all the places where it says

customers have to correct their equipment (you won't find it).
https://www.nationalgridus.com/niagaramohawk/non_html/rates_psc207.pdf

If you knew anything about revenue metering you'd know that kw-hour meters

automatically respond to only the true power used.  A 1.0 kW load at unity

power factor makes the dial spin just as fast as a 1.25 kVA load at 0.8 pf

or a 2.0 kVA load at 0.5 pf.

Sorry you can't accept reality, but that's not my problem.

daestrom