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Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh

by "Don Kelly" <dhky@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 15, 2008 at 03:07 AM

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"ItsASecretDummy" <secretasianman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
in 
message news:f44854tru0sptbdlv1agjvre5ek6sj7gd9@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:41:22 -0400, "daestrom"
> <daestrom@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"clydebeer" <u44204@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message news:859f2531b1d8d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> This is an industrial meter, measuring demand (KVA) and KWH.
>>> Medium sized industrial plant.
>>>
>>> Thks/Clyde
>>>
>>
>>If the meter claims to read kWh, then you can take it to the bank that
it
>>does in fact read kWh.  Most revenue meters are able to measure the real
>>power being used directly without external pf correction.
>
>  The meters do not get corrected, idiot.  The LOADS do!
>
>>  Tariffs for
>>industry often require additional metering if there is unusual load
>>connected.
>
>  No ****, dumb****.  That is what I said.
>
>>  Very low pf can be an issue because of the impact on system
>>voltage.  The possibility of high, short-term demand often incurs an
>>additional tariff where you have to pay based on the highest 'peak'
during 
>>a
>>billing cycle.  It sounds like this is what you have.
>
>
>  Why don't you just make **** up as you go, DaeTurd?
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Industrial demand metering measures peak KVA demand -not power factor. 
Energy metering inherently measure the kWh used without the need for a
power 
factor "correction".
This is no different now, except for the metering equipment, than it was
70 
years ago.

Customer loads do not "have" to be pf corrected.  If low power factor at
the 
loads add to the peak demand KVA (and this may not be the case) then it 
would  be economic for the customer to add some correction such as 
capacitors or even synchronous motors. If the low pf is at a light load 
time, it may not be worth the effort. It is not a great task to decide
what 
is the optimal correction (which will not be to unity pf) for a given 
situation.

Please,
when you have the knowledge that Daestrom has, then you can make sensible 
comments without the childish invective. Otherwise go and play with Roy.

By the way, top posting is far less offensive than your abusive approach.

-- 

Don Kelly dhky@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"clydebeer" <  2008-06-13 16:58:06 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
Palindrome <me9@[EMAIL  2008-06-13 17:02:34 
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"clydebeer" <  2008-06-13 17:08:36 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-13 16:45:30 
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"daestrom" <  2008-06-14 11:37:08 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
James Sweet <jamesswee  2008-06-14 18:17:17 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-14 15:02:58 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
James Sweet <jamesswee  2008-06-14 20:39:27 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-14 17:13:17 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-14 16:00:40 
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ROYKEY@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-14 20:23:55 
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ROYKEY@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-14 21:02:11 
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krw <krw@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-06-14 18:02:32 
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ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-14 11:39:49 
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"daestrom" <  2008-06-14 15:15:48 
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"daestrom" <  2008-06-14 11:41:22 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-14 11:42:06 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-14 16:19:01 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-14 15:54:16 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-14 15:57:12 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-15 12:18:07 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-15 11:53:20 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"Don Kelly" <  2008-06-15 03:07:30 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-14 22:45:29 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-06-15 14:59:26 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-15 12:08:06 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-15 11:50:43 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-15 15:34:17 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"Don Kelly" <  2008-06-16 00:51:29 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-15 11:36:06 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-15 12:02:19 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-15 11:43:57 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-15 15:49:04 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"Don Kelly" <  2008-06-15 17:27:08 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-15 11:54:53 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-15 15:37:45 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ROYKEY@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-15 07:05:01 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-06-15 14:58:42 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
HiggsField <higgdfield  2008-06-13 16:41:45 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"clydebeer" <  2008-06-13 17:06:36 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
HiggsField <higgdfield  2008-06-13 16:42:22 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"Don Kelly" <  2008-06-13 22:31:36 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-13 19:02:52 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
krw <krw@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-06-13 22:14:27 

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