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Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh

by "daestrom" <daestrom@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jun 15, 2008 at 12:18 PM

ItsASecretDummy wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:19:01 -0400, "daestrom"
> <daestrom@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> If you knew anything about revenue metering you'd know that kw-hour
>> meters automatically respond to only the true power used.
>
>
>  If you knew anything about it, you would know that power companies
> REQUIRE their industrial customers to correct power factors on loads
> that present high pf differentials.
>
>
>>  A 1.0 kW load at unity
>> power factor makes the dial spin just as fast as a 1.25 kVA load at
>> 0.8 pf or a 2.0 kVA load at 0.5 pf.
>
>  And if you knew a goddamned thing about it, you would know that that
> is exactly why they take steps to get paid for what gets used, not
> what is read on the meter.

And that is why large industrial customer revenue metering includes RkVA 
meters as well.  So the utility can be paid for the equipment they
maintain 
that is needed to sup****t the reactive load the customer is drawingl.  But

if the customer was *required* to correct their own pf, there wouldn't be 
any RkVA load now, would there 'Dummy'??  Must be the utility installs
those 
RkVA meters just for fun.

The NY tariff I posted a link to earlier (which apparently you haven't 
bothered to read) also points out that the RkVA demand charge is
determined 
when the kW demand of the customer is more than 500 kW.  But I guess all 
that 'reactive demand' charges and stuff is just put there for fun since
you 
claim all customers are *required* to correct their pf.

Read the tariffs and stop being such a stubborn, vulgar jerk.

daestrom
 




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Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"clydebeer" <  2008-06-13 16:58:06 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
Palindrome <me9@[EMAIL  2008-06-13 17:02:34 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"clydebeer" <  2008-06-13 17:08:36 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-13 16:45:30 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-14 11:37:08 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
James Sweet <jamesswee  2008-06-14 18:17:17 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-14 15:02:58 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
James Sweet <jamesswee  2008-06-14 20:39:27 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-14 17:13:17 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-14 16:00:40 
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ROYKEY@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-14 20:23:55 
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ROYKEY@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-14 21:02:11 
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krw <krw@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-06-14 18:02:32 
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ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-14 11:39:49 
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"daestrom" <  2008-06-14 15:15:48 
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"daestrom" <  2008-06-14 11:41:22 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-14 11:42:06 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-14 16:19:01 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-14 15:54:16 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-14 15:57:12 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-15 12:18:07 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-15 11:53:20 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"Don Kelly" <  2008-06-15 03:07:30 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-14 22:45:29 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-06-15 14:59:26 
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"daestrom" <  2008-06-15 12:08:06 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-15 11:50:43 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-15 15:34:17 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"Don Kelly" <  2008-06-16 00:51:29 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-15 11:36:06 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-15 12:02:19 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-15 11:43:57 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-15 15:49:04 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"Don Kelly" <  2008-06-15 17:27:08 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ItsASecretDummy <secre  2008-06-15 11:54:53 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-15 15:37:45 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
ROYKEY@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-06-15 07:05:01 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
phil-news-nospam@[EMAIL P  2008-06-15 14:58:42 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
HiggsField <higgdfield  2008-06-13 16:41:45 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"clydebeer" <  2008-06-13 17:06:36 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
HiggsField <higgdfield  2008-06-13 16:42:22 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"Don Kelly" <  2008-06-13 22:31:36 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
"daestrom" <  2008-06-13 19:02:52 
Re: Utility Billing KWH/ Measures in KVA but bills in kWh
krw <krw@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-06-13 22:14:27 

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