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Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fourier Transform?

by "Philip Martel" <pomartel@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 3, 2008 at 07:08 PM

"12 WPM Class A" <invalid@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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> "Andor" <andor.bariska@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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>>On 3 Jul., 02:23, "maxplanck" <erik.bo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>
>>> The FT is the one DSP technique that I'm most interested in applying,
so
>>> I'd like to understand as much about it as may be useful. But I have 
>>> more
>>> to learn aside from any proofs, so I'll try to learn that and see if
it 
>>> can
>>> do what I hope it can do. If anything seems too mysterious I'll come 
>>> back
>>> to trying to understand the proof.
>>>
>>> Sufficient proof for my level of understanding of the FT at this point
>>> would probably just be to understand why correlation works.
>> What you are writing is this:
>> Proposition: The Fourier Transform.
>> Proof: ???.
>> Since The Fourier Transform is not a proposition, but really a
>> definition, it cannot be proven.
>
> It is clear that Max is asking for the proof that the Fourier series and
> transforms do what they say on the tin, and that is to _CORRECTLY_
> represent an incoming waveform by an infinite bunch of cisoidals.
>
> As such, Max is a budding engineer of future repute and not just some
> button-pu****ng technician blindly applying formulae by rote as many
> of the self-styled "experts" present on this NG.

I take it that you can't or won't answer the question yourself.

>
> How do any of the experts prove that what they claim about Fourier
> is true? For myself I have only seen a derivation from the initial axiom
> that repetetive waveforms can be represented by an infinite bunch
> of cisoids, but I've never seen a proof of the initial axiom. I suspect
> that  is what Max seeks.

Assuming someone presented you with a proof of that "axiom" (Jerry Avins
is 
correct - one does not prove axioms), there would a further "axiom" - keep

quibbling if it makes you happy...  Or better yet, take a few math courses

and see if you can figure it out.

>
> Keep searching, Max, but I doubt that you'll get your answer in this NG.
>
> My own experience of them is that they'll blindly quote formulae
verbatim
> at you but when you challenge them on the derivations, they'll bluster
in 
> the first
> instance and resort to rather silly and infantile outbursts inorder to
try 
> to mask
> that despite being the "experts", they haven't a clue about the 
> fundamentals
> and thus present as uppity technicians and not professional engineers.
>
>
>
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Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fourier
"maxplanck" <  2008-07-01 17:41:19 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
p.kootsookos@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-07-01 20:29:42 
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robert bristow-johnson &l  2008-07-01 19:02:12 
OT: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-01 22:09:00 
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Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-01 22:02:11 
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robert bristow-johnson &l  2008-07-01 19:40:01 
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Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-01 23:21:40 
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robert bristow-johnson &l  2008-07-01 20:42:44 
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Rune Allnor <allnor@[E  2008-07-01 23:22:28 
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"Sean B" <br  2008-07-02 20:26:32 
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Tim Wescott <tim@[EMAI  2008-07-02 00:14:04 
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Andor <andor.bariska@[  2008-07-02 00:41:22 
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"12 WPM Class A"  2008-07-02 08:49:12 
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Frnak McKenney <frnak@  2008-07-02 06:40:44 
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"maxplanck" <  2008-07-02 15:00:55 
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Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-02 17:32:40 
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"maxplanck" <  2008-07-02 19:23:53 
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Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-02 20:56:58 
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Steve Underwood <steve  2008-07-03 08:10:23 
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"SteveSmith" &l  2008-07-03 19:38:11 
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"maxplanck" <  2008-07-07 13:14:36 
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Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-07 16:38:39 
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robert bristow-johnson &l  2008-07-02 14:24:50 
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steveu@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-07-02 18:43:11 
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Andor <andor.bariska@[  2008-07-03 01:40:17 
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"12 WPM Class A"  2008-07-03 11:41:45 
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"12 WPM Class A"  2008-07-03 11:45:38 
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Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-03 09:27:03 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
"12 WPM Class A"  2008-07-03 15:13:00 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
"Philip Martel"  2008-07-03 19:08:09 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Andor <andor.bariska@[  2008-07-03 04:21:52 
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"12 WPM Class A"  2008-07-03 12:53:16 
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julius <juliusk@[EMAIL  2008-07-03 06:57:50 
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robert bristow-johnson &l  2008-07-03 12:27:52 
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Rafael Deliano <Rafael  2008-07-04 12:54:27 
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Oli Charlesworth <catc  2008-07-07 11:45:57 
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Rune Allnor <allnor@[E  2008-07-07 12:26:05 
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Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-07 16:41:32 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
stevepierson <gkicompu  2008-07-07 13:00:34 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Rune Allnor <allnor@[E  2008-07-08 02:11:13 
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Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-08 12:03:24 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
robert bristow-johnson &l  2008-07-08 11:35:53 
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"maxplanck" <  2008-07-08 15:58:07 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Rune Allnor <allnor@[E  2008-07-09 01:18:57 
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Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-09 10:30:53 
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steve <bungalow_steve@  2008-07-09 15:31:19 
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Rune Allnor <allnor@[E  2008-07-13 10:25:13 
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Muzaffer Kal <kal@[EMA  2008-07-13 10:48:43 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Rune Allnor <allnor@[E  2008-07-09 22:37:50 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-10 10:25:17 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Steve Underwood <steve  2008-07-12 00:12:52 
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Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-07-13 18:24:02 
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Muzaffer Kal <kal@[EMA  2008-07-13 22:22:33 
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Rune Allnor <allnor@[E  2008-07-10 07:46:31 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-12 15:50:54 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Rune Allnor <allnor@[E  2008-07-11 11:04:29 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Steve Underwood <steve  2008-07-13 10:39:39 
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dbd <dbd@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-07-13 11:17:02 
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Rune Allnor <allnor@[E  2008-07-13 11:26:42 
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Rune Allnor <allnor@[E  2008-07-12 13:16:10 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-12 18:16:12 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Rune Allnor <allnor@[E  2008-07-13 03:16:27 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-13 10:30:58 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Rune Allnor <allnor@[E  2008-07-13 08:44:23 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Muzaffer Kal <kal@[EMA  2008-07-13 09:46:36 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-13 23:35:55 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Rune Allnor <allnor@[E  2008-07-14 03:05:07 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-14 13:08:00 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Rune Allnor <allnor@[E  2008-07-14 10:24:37 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-14 13:48:58 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Rune Allnor <allnor@[E  2008-07-14 12:26:32 
Re: Can you recommend a good explanation of the proof of the Fou
Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-07-14 15:43:16 

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