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Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform"

by "Steven G. Johnson" <stevenj@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Oct 16, 2008 at 10:12 AM

On Oct 10, 3:42=A0pm, Eric Jacobsen <eric.jacob...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> I think it depends on the details of the resource issues. =A0 The FHT is
> nice from a memory perspective if the input is real-valued since you
> don't have to do any buffer manipulation, whereas with an N/2-pt FFT
> you may need to fiddle with the appropriate buffering/addressing to
> arrange the input properly. =A0 Similar issue with the output.

Nope, there is no intrinsic implementation advantage of an FHT that
I'm aware of; we looked carefully at this issue when working on FFTW.
(Sorensen in 1987 showed that there are real-valued FFT algorithms
that have a very similar structure to FHT algorithms.  Of course, all
of this is a bit moot because highly optimized FFT codes these days
look a lot different from the 1960s-1980s radix-2 and split-radix
algorithms.)

> In my experience the real advantage of the FHT was the memory
> requirement, which can be substantially smaller than an FFT depending
> on the constraints and what you're doing. =A0

Not true.  FHTs and real-input FFTs have essentially the same memory
requirements (obviously depending upon the implementation, but there
is no intrinsic advantage one way or the other).

> Another potential memory saving is in the twidlle factors, since the
> FHT has a single reference function [cas()], instead of sin() and
> cos().

Nope, there's no savings here either, because if you count carefully
you'll discover that you need half as many (sin,cos) pairs as cas
functions, so the number of constants balances out.

Steven
 




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"Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform"
Richard Owlett <rowlet  2008-10-09 20:02:59 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
julius <juliusk@[EMAIL  2008-10-10 09:12:59 
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Richard Owlett <rowlet  2008-10-10 11:54:52 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
Eric Jacobsen <eric.ja  2008-10-10 10:15:02 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
"Steven G. Johnson&q  2008-10-18 12:24:22 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
Eric Jacobsen <eric.ja  2008-10-18 23:07:56 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
"Steven G. Johnson&q  2008-10-21 16:11:32 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
Eric Jacobsen <eric.ja  2008-10-21 16:54:37 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
Randy Yates <yates@[EM  2008-10-10 13:37:42 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
Eric Jacobsen <eric.ja  2008-10-10 12:42:23 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
Richard Owlett <rowlet  2008-10-10 14:48:45 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
"VelociChicken"  2008-10-13 15:53:19 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
Eric Jacobsen <eric.ja  2008-10-13 15:08:36 
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"Steven G. Johnson&q  2008-10-16 10:07:01 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
"VelociChicken"  2008-10-19 15:41:35 
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"Steven G. Johnson&q  2008-10-16 10:12:18 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
Eric Jacobsen <eric.ja  2008-10-16 13:19:36 
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Andrew Reilly <andrew-  2008-10-21 00:04:49 
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Eric Jacobsen <eric.ja  2008-10-20 18:48:06 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
"Steven G. Johnson&q  2008-10-19 08:03:01 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
"Steven G. Johnson&q  2008-10-19 08:14:36 
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Eric Jacobsen <eric.ja  2008-10-20 14:21:09 
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"Steven G. Johnson&q  2008-10-16 10:17:13 
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clay@[EMAIL PROTECTED]   2008-10-16 14:07:55 
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"Steven G. Johnson&q  2008-10-16 16:48:44 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
Eric Jacobsen <eric.ja  2008-10-17 11:41:23 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
"Steven G. Johnson&q  2008-10-20 18:10:49 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
Eric Jacobsen <eric.ja  2008-10-21 00:32:58 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
"Steven G. Johnson&q  2008-10-17 16:18:20 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
"VelociChicken"  2008-10-18 00:46:48 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
Eric Jacobsen <eric.ja  2008-10-17 17:21:33 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
"Steven G. Johnson&q  2008-10-21 11:30:46 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
Eric Jacobsen <eric.ja  2008-10-21 13:46:01 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
"Steven G. Johnson&q  2008-10-18 12:03:16 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
"VelociChicken"  2008-10-18 22:49:18 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
"Steven G. Johnson&q  2008-10-18 16:15:55 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
"Steven G. Johnson&q  2008-10-19 08:02:28 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
Andrew Reilly <andrew-  2008-10-19 22:05:34 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
Jerry Avins <jya@[EMAI  2008-10-19 18:19:41 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
"VelociChicken"  2008-10-20 14:34:10 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
"Steven G. Johnson&q  2008-10-20 11:46:09 
Re: "Discrete Hartley transform" vs " Discrete Fouuier transform
"VelociChicken"  2008-10-20 20:47:54 
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"VelociChicken"  2008-10-21 13:46:55 
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"Steven G. Johnson&q  2008-10-21 12:05:01 

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