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Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets

by a?n?g?e?l@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The little lost angel) Dec 25, 2007 at 03:24 PM

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 03:58:28 -0500, kony <spam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

Sorry again for the hijack, his posts are not showing up on my feed at
all. :(

>On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 00:14:42 -0800 (PST), Ht****irs
><ht****irs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>Lost angel:
>>
>>The power figures have been collected from various online sources. And
>>15" monitor was a CRT which is still more popular in my country.

On a quick search, a 15" CRT consumes about 60~70W so it's comparable
with the 19" LCD example I gave.

>>I agree that power utilisation changes with the load. But, the point
>>is that even when dealing with less intensive work a lot of power is
>>lost, because the components in modern systems are inherently power
>>hungry. Which is why there is the need for a power miser system within
>>the same cabinet to be used when dealing with loads that do not
>>require the power of the "main" system.

I don't think so your assumption is correct. If you add in
sleep/standby modes for drives, turning off the system when not doing
anything useful, all the advance sleep states for modern CPU, they do
not really consume that much more power at low loads. 

Bear in mind, the cost of a second system, especially a niche product
like the VIA ITX/mini-ITX stuff are likely to far outweight the cost
of a better mainstream system, in both monetary and ecological sense.

>>Please inform what the dual SLI system working on when the 250W
>>consumption was measured.

Dragothic in 3DMark05 or 06, with both core loaded with Prime95.
Basically it was the highest power draw situation we could find with
normal applications. In actual gaming, the draw was lesser.

To back up my figures, you can see these
E6600 full load 199W (at the wall, so actual consumption is around
160W) with a really power hungry 1900XTX
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/core2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64/page3.html


Overclocked Pentium-D 950 with X1950XTX, 256W actual draw, this
probably represent the upper evenlope for any single chip single gfx
system because the has a TDP higher than any current Intel C2D/C2Q or
AMD X2/X4 chips
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article28-page4.html

And since the folks at SPCR are obsessed with low power and quiet
system, take a look at this AMD X2 system they reviewed at 105W AC
power 
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article756-page7.html

>>And the mini ITX
>>motherboard makes it possible to  include it in the same cabinet,
>>probably screwing it onto a hinged side panel (not slideable). Other
>>details need to be worked out.

Can do the same thing with the Hiper system reviewed by SPCR, it would
have more juice than the mini-ITX for sure. Of course the draw back
is, no discrete graphics card but the K9NGM2 uses an nVidia 6150 which
is good enough even for light gaming.

At 105W AC power, it means the system actual draw is likely around
75~85W, which is only some 60W more than your proposed 28W mini
system.

According to your estimate figures, this means you save maybe Rs520 a
year in power annually. If you expect the computational power of the
miniITX to last 5 years, you are going to be disappointed. Crazy web
designers pump increasing amount of flash content, as well as dynamic
scripted content, it takes quite a bit of time for even my older P3 to
render a page. The miniITX will choke in another 2 years or so. 

Giving you 3 years, your proposed second system needs to cost no more
than Rs1600, even with 5 years, Rs2600. Assuming Rs means Indian
Rupees, this means it cannot cost more than US$65 at current rates.
Sorry but I doubt you can get a VIA miniITX system for that kind of
price. You're better off like I expect, with a normal full fledged
system both economically and ecologically.

If environment conservation is the more im****tant objective, then join
the DINK (Dual Income No Kids) or DIOK (Dual Income One Kid) movement.
Having less humans in the long run cuts down on every single
ecological damage than any handwaving international protocols. This
public service message goes out to everybody, not just Srikanth :)

-- 
A Lost Angel, fallen from heaven 
Lost in dreams, Lost in aspirations, 
Lost to the world, Lost to myself
 




 24 Posts in Topic:
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
"philo" <phi  2007-12-25 09:59:00 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
a?n?g?e?l@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-25 04:42:40 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
kony <spam@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-26 03:58:28 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
a?n?g?e?l@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-25 15:24:51 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
Robert Redelmeier <red  2007-12-26 23:51:19 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
kony <spam@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-26 23:59:33 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
Robert Redelmeier <red  2007-12-27 05:32:38 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
kony <spam@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-27 02:06:52 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
kony <spam@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-27 14:16:03 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
a?n?g?e?l@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-27 03:51:41 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
Sebastian Kaliszewski <  2007-12-28 12:56:58 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
a?n?g?e?l@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2007-12-28 13:34:35 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
Sebastian Kaliszewski <  2008-01-02 15:17:50 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
a?n?g?e?l@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-01-03 18:22:27 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
kony <spam@[EMAIL PROT  2008-01-03 17:25:33 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
a?n?g?e?l@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-01-04 16:33:19 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
Sebastian Kaliszewski <  2008-01-04 18:56:03 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
Sebastian Kaliszewski <  2008-01-04 18:45:47 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
Robert Redelmeier <red  2007-12-27 19:28:32 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
kony <spam@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-28 03:28:24 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
Robert Redelmeier <red  2007-12-28 15:22:46 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
kony <spam@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-28 22:15:16 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
chrisv <chrisv@[EMAIL   2007-12-27 10:04:09 
Re: A case for Dual System Cabinets
kony <spam@[EMAIL PROT  2007-12-27 14:23:32 

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