Re: AMD planning 45nm 12-Core 'Istanbul' Processor ?

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s.usun.to@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Robert Myers wrote:

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> > The best that we can do at this point is to limit access based on
> > skill.

Typical answer of leftist elitists.

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> > What has socialism got to do with this discussion? 
> 
> Whe I wrotre it's capitalism out here you starde with your values and
stuff.

But Robert knows what's good for everyone on the planet.  *HE* 
should be king!

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> > Good enough reason not to trust them.  Maybe packet-switched networks
> > are not a good way to transmit "secure" data or maybe there has to be
> > an out of band (e.g. over telephone, preferably circuit-switched)
> > component.
> 
> So what, return to the caves?

That's exactly what Robert proposes, just like a good Marxist. 

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> > Speculating about what happens when you change the rules is a
> > fruitless enterprise.  Consider what has happened with CISC vs. RISC.
> 
> When low hanging fruits were picked and transistor budgets big enough it
> simply does not matter anymore.

That is *exactly* the point the armchair architects miss.  Though 
x86 is a kludge, the cruft no longer matters.  Transistors are free. 

> >> You only shows your lack of grip in reality.
> >>
> > That's just wild.
> > 
> > Do you know the history of Long Term Capital management?  Do you know
> > what's happened with derivatives all over the world?  Do you know the
> > current parlous state of financial markets?
> 
> If you dont's see the difference between fincncial market (an
unpredictable
> system full of positive feedback loops, driven by agents working to
> completely unknown rules) and complex, but closed and static product, we
> heve nothing to talk about. 

Not only unknown dynamics, but unknowable dynamics; Schroedinger's 
cat on steroids.

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> > The distinction you want to make is a fiction 
> > that sup****ts your business model.
> 
> Nonsense. It's reality. If my software is a solitaire game it's not
critical
> at all. If it's a departamental email server software it's im****tant but
> not critical. If it's a accounting + do***ent flow + store management +
hr
> management software package for mid size business it's business
critical.
> If it's a atomic reactor process controller it's life critical.

I once had the task of identifying "critical software" for our 
function.  Not being an IT type, I had some problems defining 
"critical".  The IT director made a story about the site burning to 
the ground with all the payroll records.  Was the payroll 
"critical".  Nope, they'd just go to the bank and hand out money to 
anyone with some sort of proof that they were employees.  They could 
balance the books later.  We didn't have any critical records.  ;-)    

> > I don't have to sup****t fictions 
> > and I don't have to sup****t your business model.
> 
> You don't have to sup****t reality as well. Relaity doesn't care, neither
do
> I.
> 
> 
> >> Or maybe hammer I can buy at any farmers shop is a critical device,
as it
> >> could be used for criminal activity.
> >>
> > A four pound hammer was at one time a fairly common carpenter's tool.
> > Repeated use causes elbow injury.  If you hand one to a workman in the
> > US and he uses it and injures his elbow, you're going to have all
> > kinds of problems.
> 
> Yeah,and you propose suing hammer producer... And that's a nonsense
(even if
> in US it's currently at least advisable to label the hammer with
nonsense
> stickers like not for children, don't use it to hit yor fingers, don't
> leave it when working at height, etc.. its still pure absolute nonsense.


"Not for internal use"

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> > Not so in software, and we are already paying 
> > the price.
> 
> No, we get it cheper that way.

No, we *get* it that way. 

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-- 
Keith