Re: AMD planning 45nm 12-Core 'Istanbul' Processor ?

Robert Myers wrote:
>> My condolences.  But frankly less than for those who lose a child.
>> We all die one day, and there are lots of risks before then.
>>
> The drug industry is not now and never has been adequately regulated,
> and people die because of that fact. 

It is allways both ways. For many people untested drugs are the only
chance.
If you extend testing even more then you delay drugs introduction even
more
and more people won't live long enough to get the treatment.

> I'd like to say that your belief 
> in free markets is touchingly childlike, but it seems more like
> obstinately fundamentalist to me.  I don't care for fundamentalism of
> any flavor.

Go live in some socialistic country (there is still choce: eithre Cuba or
Northen Corea is good). You'll get your regulation there.


>> > I thought financial wizards knew how to estimate risk.
>>
>> ??? even if they did, why would they tell you the truth
>> from free?  Wall Street is all about selling paper, and
>> the wizards are just window dressing.
>>
> I was dealing with a hot-head who claimed that financial institutions
> know how to estimate risk. 

And that's the fact. Otherwise they would be nonexistent.

> When I pointed out the obvious, he changed 
> his assertion.

Nope. Your idiotic apples to oranges comparison doesn't change my
assertion
at all.

> Yes, indeed, just as I said, Wall Street is a kind of 
> Ponzi scheme, and the game right now is who gets stuck with the bad
> paper.

Whatever. These guys make money wether there is upturn or downturn. One
may
like it or not, but their attitude "it's immoral to allow suckers to keep
their money" does work for them. And their risk estimation seems to work
pretty well.

[...]
> I needed an outrageous counter-example.  No one should be citing
> financial institutions as competent to *****s risk 

You're demonstrating your utter cluelessness here (not to use stronger
words)

> and no one should 
> be asking George Bush how to go to war.

Whatever.


>> > Financial institutions claim that one of their areas o
>> > of special expertise is management of risk.
>>
>> Salesman****p.  Is it printed on glossy paper?
>> Then you know it is most probably an unproveable lie.
>>
>> > Recent history has proven that they are at best unreliable.
>>
>> Are you young?  Past history too (S&L & more).
>>
> The end conclusion is that capitalism is a vast con game.  It may well
> be.

Whatever.


>> >> You should study Taleb's book "Black Swans"
>>
>> > Looks like an interesting book.  Thanks for calling it
>> > to my attention.
>> > The difference is that most software risk is not
>> > unexpected and can be eliminated.
>>
>> No.  Please study the Halting Problem [Turing].
>> In simple terms, you cannot make anything foolproof
>> because fools are too d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ingenious!
>>
> I get tired of people talking about the Halting Problem, Goedel,
> Turing, P, and NP, and heaven only knows what else.  There are
> concrete steps that can be taken to improve the reliability of
> software dramatically.  I have no interest at all in cosmic
> conclusions about software, or markets, or anything else, particularly
> when garden variety shoddy workman****p is hiding behind cosmic
> conclusions.

You have no clue about that workman****p at all, so all you talk about that
is nonsense.


Sebastian Kaliszewski
-- 
"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity" -- L. Lang