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Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...

by "Arfa Daily" <arfa.daily@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 6, 2008 at 02:08 AM

"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
news:o6jt6492nr7jm12fet7taq24rskkkhhd1e@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 01:23:49 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
> <arfa.daily@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>I have noticed that these new smaller bulbs run a whole quantum leap 
>>hotter
>>than the older larger size, and they hot up the shade on the bench light
>>until it is unbearably hot to touch.
>
> As I understand it (possibly wrong), the higher the temperature of the
> filament, the more efficient the incandescent light bulb in lumens per
> watt.  There's a bit of a clue at:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescent_light_bulb>
>  During ordinary operation, the tungsten of the filament eva****ates;
>  hotter, more-efficient filaments eva****ate faster. Because of this,
>  the lifetime of a filament lamp is a trade-off between efficiency
>  and longevity. The trade-off is typically set to provide a lifetime
>  of several hundred to 2000 hours for lamps used for general
>  illumination. Theatrical, photographic, and projection lamps may
>  have a useful life of only a few hours, trading life expectancy
>  for high output in a compact form. Long-life general service lamps
>  have lower efficiency but are used where the cost of changing the
>  lamp is high compared to the value of energy used.
>
> In other words, the newer smaller bulbs are trading efficiency for
> lifetime, which is the result of running hotter.  I'm not sure why the
> bulb is smaller.  My guess(tm) is that it's simply thicker, which
> allows the use of a smaller bulb size, which can withstand the heat
> better than a thin bulb and can handle a higher internal gas pressure
> (which is necessary to prevent filament eva****ation).
>
> More on the subject:
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_efficacy>
> <http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/lumen.htm>
>
> -- 
> Jeff Liebermann     jeffl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 150 Felker St #D    http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
> Skype: JeffLiebermann     AE6KS    831-336-2558

Interesting thoughts. Really not a good thing though, I am thinking. It's 
only been a matter of a few months that I have been using these small
bulbs, 
and they have already caused a problem with a lamp that had previously
been 
running daily, without heat-related problems, for years. It seems to me
that 
in certain domestic applications, these could represent a significant fire

hazard. Take for instance, a 'standard' pendant room light fixture, 
suspended on normal plastic cable. There is not normally enough heat 
generated, to cause a problem with the insulation, but I'm sure that with 
the increased temperature that these things run at, there's going to be.

Take also, a typical lampshade made from either plastic or paper based 
sheet. These will typically have a sticker in them saying something like
"60 
watt max lamp". Now that figure is a fire safety one, based on the heat 
generated by a typical 60 watt bulb. What about when you put one of these 
new ones in ? I would guess that the heat steaming off them, is at least 
equivalent to what you would be expecting from a traditional-sized 100
watt 
bulb. So even putting in a correctly rated 60 watt bulb, you could be 
thermally overloading that shade, by 60 odd % . Potential fire hazard, or
am 
I just being paranoid ? Does this need bringing to someone's attention ?

Arfa
 




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Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Arfa Daily" &l  2008-07-04 01:23:49 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"N_Cook" <di  2008-07-04 08:12:42 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Arfa Daily" &l  2008-07-04 09:08:56 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"N_Cook" <di  2008-07-04 14:52:07 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
Baron <baron.nospam@[E  2008-07-04 16:27:39 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Arfa Daily" &l  2008-07-05 00:46:25 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
Baron <baron.nospam@[E  2008-07-05 23:11:28 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Arfa Daily" &l  2008-07-06 01:54:25 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
Baron <baron.nospam@[E  2008-07-06 12:06:34 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Dave Plowman (News)  2008-07-06 13:48:33 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"N_Cook" <di  2008-07-06 14:13:04 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Dave Plowman (News)  2008-07-06 14:36:26 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
Baron <baron.nospam@[E  2008-07-06 15:05:52 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Arfa Daily" &l  2008-07-06 15:11:55 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
Baron <baron.nospam@[E  2008-07-06 15:02:48 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Dave Plowman (News)  2008-07-04 23:51:55 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl  2008-07-04 18:41:00 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Arfa Daily" &l  2008-07-06 02:08:27 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl  2008-07-05 20:57:51 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
Baron <baron.nospam@[E  2008-07-06 12:15:05 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Arfa Daily" &l  2008-07-06 15:18:28 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl  2008-07-06 10:05:06 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVE  2008-07-06 15:45:39 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Arfa Daily" &l  2008-07-07 01:30:30 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
Jim Adney <jadney@[EMA  2008-07-06 17:38:00 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Arfa Daily" &l  2008-07-07 01:28:51 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
Jim Adney <jadney@[EMA  2008-07-06 20:32:27 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Arfa Daily" &l  2008-07-07 09:26:47 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"DaveM" <mas  2008-07-06 21:40:42 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Arfa Daily" &l  2008-07-07 09:41:35 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl  2008-07-06 18:56:42 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Arfa Daily" &l  2008-07-07 09:53:39 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl  2008-07-07 10:31:08 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Arfa Daily" &l  2008-07-08 01:46:27 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
Peter Dettmann <peter@  2008-07-08 12:03:13 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
Andrew Erickson <gmavt  2008-07-07 23:45:50 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Arfa Daily" &l  2008-07-08 09:21:03 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Arfa Daily" &l  2008-07-08 18:25:12 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"N_Cook" <di  2008-07-07 07:38:29 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Arfa Daily" &l  2008-07-07 09:55:14 
Re: Slightly OT. Heat and a Bench Light ...
"Mr. Land" <  2008-07-07 10:10:54 

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